The Death Penalty

schuette · Post by **schuette** » Fri May 28, 2004 6:59 am

Before I say what I think about it I was wondering what you all had to think about the death penalty. I was watching a film last night where it said that 66% of Americans agree with it.........I know it was just a film but it left me wondering......

by-tor · Post by **by-tor** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:37 am

In a lot of cases, I think the death penalty is waaaaaay to easy on the criminal. The only changes I would make to the laws for capital crimes today would be that you had to have hard evidence to convict. Something like DNA, video of the crime, etc. And fuck this, 'oh, you can't put the convicted murdering child molestor to death in the electric chair, that would be cruel'. Cruel, schmuel. Put me alone in the room with these guys, and give me a baseball bat. I'll think about being cruel with every swing...like how cruel it was for the victims to suffer.

schuette · Post by **schuette** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:42 am

by-tor wrote:And fuck this, 'oh, you can't put the convicted murdering child molestor to death in the electric chair, that would be cruel'.

some folk really say that

I have to agree with you by-tor (shock horror) but if someone touches any of my kids I would want to deal with them myself.......believe me they would be wishing for the chair after I had my way with them!

by-tor · Post by **by-tor** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:13 am

schuette wrote:
by-tor wrote:And fuck this, 'oh, you can't put the convicted murdering child molestor to death in the electric chair, that would be cruel'.
some folk really say that

That's why in most all states with the death penalty here, we don't do things like hanging, firing squad, gas chamber, or electric chair (I think Utah is the only state left where they'll kill put you to death in ways other than lethal injection). Some people thought it was 'cruel and unusual', which the U.S. Constitution protects against. Of course, what most of these bleeding hearts don't think about is that when the 'cruel and unusual' part was written into the Constitution more than 200 years ago, beheading wasn't even considered cruel.

EndlesslyRocking · Post by **EndlesslyRocking** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:18 am

I am against the death penalty on principle in all cases.

And yes I've had a close family member murdered, and I still feel that way.

I understand the emotions behind supporting the death penalty, but I simply cannot morally justify its use.

JMHO

by-tor · Post by **by-tor** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:34 am

But how do you feel about baseball bats to the kneecaps?

*Lifesonite · Post by *Lifesonite » Fri May 28, 2004 8:36 am

They should at least have something taken away for life imprisonment. Confined to a wheel-chair. For life. Oh my

Slaine mac Roth · Post by **Slaine mac Roth** » Fri May 28, 2004 10:33 am

I, persoanlly, am against the death penalty as I think it brings you down to their level.

However, I think the best thing to do is repeal the death penalty but don't tell the public. That way, you can have the condemmed felon make that long walk and be strapped in or whatever thousands of times, always getting a last minute stay of execution. Can you imagine the mental suffering that will cause?

by-tor · Post by **by-tor** » Fri May 28, 2004 10:58 am

Another reason to be pro-death penalty.

Kill a raping, murdering scum by lethal injection...cost to the taxpayers : minimal

Give a raping, murdering scum life in prison, without the possibility of parole...cost to the taxpayers : $65,000 a year for the rest of the scum's life.

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Fri May 28, 2004 11:03 am

I am pro.

It seems that someone now thinks that lethal injectins is at times cruel and unusual punishment too and is trying to ged it tossed out as well.

Devil's Advocate · Post by **Devil's Advocate** » Fri May 28, 2004 11:35 am

by-tor wrote:Another reason to be pro-death penalty.

Kill a raping, murdering scum by lethal injection...cost to the taxpayers : minimal

Give a raping, murdering scum life in prison, without the possibility of parole...cost to the taxpayers : $65,000 a year for the rest of the scum's life.

Not so. A prisoner of death row costs the taxpayer more than they would spending their life in prison. This is because convicts who have been sentenced to die are, quite rightly, entitled to unlimited appeals.

Oh, and don't you think financial costs are a thoroughly inhuman, inhumane reason to decide either for or against killing people?

EndlesslyRocking · Post by **EndlesslyRocking** » Fri May 28, 2004 12:46 pm

by-tor wrote:But how do you feel about baseball bats to the kneecaps?

Now that's a policy I can get behind!

by-tor · Post by **by-tor** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:13 pm

Devil's Advocate wrote:Not so. A prisoner of death row costs the taxpayer more than they would spending their life in prison. This is because convicts who have been sentenced to die are, quite rightly, entitled to unlimited appeals.

If someone is convicted at 25, and would live to be 65 if sentenced to life in prison, that would be about $2.6 million cost to the taxpayers. Whereas if that same person is put to death after 7 years on death row, he doesn't come near that cost. And they're not allowed unlimited appeals...if that was the case, no one would ever be put to death...they would just keep appealing. There's only so far you can go in the court system.

Devil's Advocate wrote:Oh, and don't you think financial costs are a thoroughly inhuman, inhumane reason to decide either for or against killing people?

Nope. If the conditions are met in my original post (DNA evidence, video of the crime, etc.), that leaves no doubt that the person is guilty, so why should the taxpayers have to support the criminal? How would you feel knowing that some of the taxes you're paying are going to support the psycho who targeted and killed your child? Knowing that your money was being spent to give him air conditioning and cable T.V.?

Slaine mac Roth · Post by **Slaine mac Roth** » Fri May 28, 2004 3:54 pm

How about returning Australia to its original purpose and leaving them there to rot?

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Fri May 28, 2004 4:03 pm

Two reasons for the death penalty:

1. It is the only true insurance that the perpetrator never does it again.

2. In certain religions (not mine) it believed that if you do murder, the only way your repentance can be complete (or accepted by God) is if your own blood is spilled. Not only should the death penalty be kept, but the firing squad should remain an option to the condemned.