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Webcam astronomy

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:30 pm
by Devil's Advocate
We used to have an "astronomy" thread, but I'm too lazy to find it.


I'm learning to do astronomy with my little webcam. It's good for planets, apparently. I've not yet tried it for anything else.


Here's my very first attempt at an image of Saturn:

Image

Ok, so it's small and fuzzy, and there's a ghost image (consequence of looking through a double-glazed window), but this is just a first attempt.


"How's it done?" I hear you ask, "My webcam has a ludicrously wide-angle lens on it, and it's crappy when the light is low!"

Well, there are three tricks to it. One, get a better webcam. The Philips ToUcam Pro II is the one that everyone else uses, except for the people who use the ToUcam Pro 1 and the handful who use the cheapo Philips Vesta and one or two rebels you use top-of-the-range Logitech cams. The important thing is that it's a CCD-based camera, and not CMOS. (It'll say in the spec on Amazon or the box.)

Trick #2 is to fix the magnification problem: use a telescope. I used my trusty old 60mm refractor, which has a focal length (which is what determines image size) of 700mm. That makes Saturn's image only a tenth of a millimetre tall (and about twice that wide, with the rings), so you'll probably want some form of magnification. The webcam's own lens and the telescope's eyepiece are both removed, but a much higher magnification could be possible with both still in place. (Then again, the extreme wide-angleness of the webcam's lens will be counterproductive) I attach the webcam to the 'scope with a cunning arrangement of elastic bands, but you can buy (or make) adapters that fit the cam's lens thread.

Trick #3 is that you don't just shoot a single snapshot, oh no. You shoot a movie. Then you load the resulting (HUGE) file into Registax, which is a pain to use but does amazing things once you figure out how to persuade it to. It aligns the movie frames, throws out the fuzzy ones, and stacks the rest together. I've done this with Paint Shop Pro fr half a dozen or so images, but Registax does it automatically for (potentially) thousands. The image above is based on a couple of hundred frames.

You can also do dark-frame subtraction to reduce noise, but I'm not sure yet if I'm doing that right.

Then you use Registax's histogram manipulation tools to darken the sky and set the colour-balance as you want it, and save it.

The re-open in your favourite graphics software, do some more tweaking of the colours, brightness and contrast, crop it, save as jpeg, upload, and brag. :cool:

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:46 pm
by Soup4Rush
I have been waiting for Schu to post a pic of her heavenly body. :-D

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:42 pm
by rushlight
Wonderful picture little devil. It looks like an eye from that angle.

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:02 pm
by schuette
I've only ever used my SLR and my telescope for taking pics of planets...them and a partial eclispe..

and DA you should know you never take pics like that through a window ;)
get out a brace the cold :-D

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:15 pm
by Devil's Advocate
Well, I think I'm entitled to stay indoors while I'm still learning to use the software, and refining the webcam-to-telescope attachment. :razz:

Besides, the cam's USB cable isn't long enough to go outside, and I'm not taking the computer out there.


You gonna post any of your planet pics, Schu? I never got beyond the moon with my SLR+telescope, 'cos I have no fancy motor drives. I've been thinking on and off for years about making myself one of those hand-cranked Scotch drive things, but I ain't got the DIY skills.

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:36 pm
by schuette
if I get them on the comp I will....they're not brilliant though :lol:

and dont give me excuses bout going outside.....your just a wuss :razz: ;)

Can you not get your window to open wide?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:40 pm
by Devil's Advocate
To open the window I'd have to shift the computers and monitor off my desk.

It'd probably be less effort to go outside, using extra-long cables to the camera... and the keyboard, mouse and monitor, which would have to come with me....


It's easier being a wuss. :razz:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:47 am
by Soup4Rush
schuette wrote:notice how I ignored you soupie :razz:
than why did you post this? :razz: You couldn't ignore me even if you tried. :-D

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:00 am
by schuette
Soup4Rush wrote:
schuette wrote:notice how I ignored you soupie :razz:
than why did you post this? :razz: You couldn't ignore me even if you tried. :-D
when did I say that....you been writing things then putting the
thingys in :razz:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:07 am
by Soup4Rush
yeah, thats what I did. :roll:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:27 am
by schuette
well you need to stop it...that's bad.... ;)

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:06 pm
by Middle Kingdom
bad, as, say, editing posts?

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:17 pm
by schuette
I can honestly say I never edited :razz:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:32 pm
by Middle Kingdom
If you say so.
:-D

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:01 pm
by schuette
no honestly...hand on heart and all that shit....I did not edit :-D