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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:31 pm
by Big Blue Owl
ElfDude wrote:
CygnusX1 wrote: I had my crosshairs on Ms. Silverman, and
was merely giving her a SO WHAT?
Well... in the press today no one is more evil than one who is precribed painkillers and becomes addicted to them. :-D
Imagine, just for a second, what the posts in this thread would be like if one of you posted that Michelle Obama was an addict who stole drugs from her own charity, then Barack had it covered up, then, when they knew it would come to light in the press anyway, she confessed her guilt.

There would be major underlinings and CAPS and BOLDCAPS UNDERLINED

IN RED!!!!!!

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:47 pm
by Walkinghairball
Ok, who needs a power wedgie???? :razz:


Anyone????



*grumbles and walks off*

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:51 pm
by CygnusX1
Big Blue Owl wrote:
ElfDude wrote:
CygnusX1 wrote: I had my crosshairs on Ms. Silverman, and
was merely giving her a SO WHAT?
Well... in the press today no one is more evil than one who is precribed painkillers and becomes addicted to them. :-D
Imagine, just for a second, what the posts in this thread would be like if one of you posted that Michelle Obama was an addict who stole drugs from her own charity, then Barack had it covered up, then, when they knew it would come to light in the press anyway, she confessed her guilt.

There would be major underlinings and CAPS and BOLDCAPS UNDERLINED

IN RED!!!!!!
you forgot SIZE 18 TEXT as well....

but dude, just for shits and giggles, let's imagine that it doesn't matter
because First Ladies won't be making strategic decisions in global theaters of operations anyway....
How about we just pray Obama can if he's elected.

In the meantime, I'll be in my bunker, while y'all brush up on your Chinese and Arabic. :-D

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:19 pm
by Soup4Rush
actually BBO is right, that would happen..

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:24 pm
by CygnusX1
I'm not denying it wouldn't. I digress.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:43 pm
by ElfDude
Big Blue Owl wrote: There would be major underlinings and CAPS and BOLDCAPS UNDERLINED

IN RED!!!!!!
Hey... I don't do that... ;) Very much...

Point well taken.

Mind you, you can post all the negative stuff you want about the McCain campaign and I won't mind a bit unless I can tell it's not true. I don't trust the guy and am not eager to vote for him.

I'm simply talking more about Obama than him because I think this election is ALL about Obama. Nobody is excited by McCain. In this election people will either be voting for Obama or against Obama. Only a tiny handful of people will be voting for McCain. Does that make sense?

Kinda like when the Republicans ran Bob Dole. Nobody was excited by him either. Anyone who checked his name on their ballot was simply voting against Clinton.

I'm also talking a lot more about Obama because we already know McCain. We've watched him for many a year. We know this guy. But we don't know Obama. And for the last year or more the press has built him up as a Messiah. Chris Matthews says he gets a "tingling" sensation down his leg when he listens to him. :roll: Stuff like that. My interest at this point is getting to the bottom of who this guy really is.

So, you're right... if I found a story like that about Michelle I'm sure I'd be waving it around. But I see McCain as just another old Washington insider. A story like this about him is kind of a... "aw geez, grandpa peed the bed again" thing.

To me his biggest negatives are any bills with his name on them. McCain/Feingold (assault on the 1st Amendment), McCain/Kennedy (amnesty). That his wife got addicted to her pain meds and he tried to whitewash it pales to what he's done to the country.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:19 am
by CygnusX1
You just got a write-in vote from me Elf. :-D

I'm just assessing the lesser of two evils, and I believe that McCain
is better qualified to lead us through the remainder of this middle east
turkey shoot, but that's IT. I see nothing else I would like about him,
other than he's a bonafide American hero.

On the other hand, Obama's already flip-flopping and he hasn't even
been elected yet. I heard he was good at that. And his lack of military
experience in these times leaves much to be desired.

All the talking heads seem to agree though....the first candidate that
seriously intends on helping us out with this hammering we're
taking at the pump WILL WIN the election.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:27 am
by CygnusX1
Talk about karma! :twisted:

Haditha Marine prepares to sue Murtha over smear

Congressman had accused soldiers of killing 'in cold blood'

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Posted: June 18, 2008
6:14 pm Eastern

? 2008 WorldNetDaily


With most of the eight Marines charged in the Haditha, Iraq incident now
exonerated, the highest-ranking officer among the accused is considering
a lawsuit against Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who fueled the case by
declaring the men cold-blooded killers.

In an interview with nationally syndicated radio talk host Michael Savage,
the lead attorney for Lt. Col. Chessani said he and his client will
look into suing Murtha and the Time magazine reporter, Tim McGuirk,
who first published the accusations by Iraqi insurgents.

But the attorney, Brian Rooney, said nothing will happen immediately
because he wants Chessani, described as a devout Christian and the
father of six homeschooled children, completely "out of the woods"
legally before any action is taken. The government, through Lt. Col.
Sullivan, today filed a notice that it would appeal the case to the next
judicial level.

As WND reported, a military judge at Camp Pendleton in California
yesterday dismissed charges that Chessani failed to properly investigate
the Nov. 19, 2005 incident in which 24 Iraqi men, women and children
were killed.

Rooney, an attorney for the Thomas More Law Center, who served a tour
of duty in Iraq himself, is urging citizens to tell their representatives in
Congress and military officials that they want the case to come to an end.

"At some point you have to have somebody in the chain of command,
whether it's civilian or military, saying enough is enough," said Rooney,
who served with Chessani in the second battle of Fallujah.

Rooney told Savage the Haditha case is the largest investigation in the
history of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, with 65 agents
assigned by the government.

The filing of charges against Chessani was approved by Gen. James
Mattis, then commander of the Marine Corps Forces Central Command
and commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp
Pendleton. Mattis has been promoted to commander of NATO's Supreme
Allied Commander Transformation and commander of U.S. Joint Forces.

"This is the most important case since Vietnam, if not before," Rooney
said. "There's no doubt about it."

He noted the New York Times featured the case on the front page when it
was being compared by war critics to the infamous My Lai massacre in
Vietnam.
But now, with evidence the Haditha accusations were
a smear, the story has been relegated to the back pages.


The military judge, Col. Folsom, dismissed Chessani's charges without
prejudice, giving permission for the prosecutors to continue trying to
build a case that began in December 2006.

Four Marines were charged with murder, and another four with not
properly investigating the incident.

Defense lawyers contend insurgents deliberately attacked the
Marines from hiding places where they surrounded themselves with
civilians to use as shields.
The defense insisted Chessani
promptly reported the events to his superiors and that nobody in the
chain of command believed there was any wrongdoing on the part of the
Marines.

Libel and Defamation

Rooney acknowledged to Savage it's difficult to sue a sitting
Congressman, but he believes it can be done.


"If he leaves his realm of speaking from the Congressman's point of view
? then he can be sued for libel and defamation," Rooney said.

The Time magazine story, according to Rooney, was planted by an
insurgent propaganda agent. Publishing of the story was soon followed by
a May 17, 2006, news conference by Murtha. The Congressman
announced he had been "told" by the highest levels of the Marine Corps
there was no firefight and Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

"All the information I get, it comes from the commanders, it comes from
people who know what they're talking about," Murtha told reporters at
the time.

Murtha's assertions, however, conflicted with results from the military's
own investigations. An initial probe by Army Col. Watt found no
indications coalition forces "intentionally targeted, engaged and killed
noncombatants." Later, Army Maj. Gen. Aldon Bargewell found no cover-
up.

Nevertheless, the Marine Corps eventually brought charges against
Chessani and seven other Marines.

But now the cases against Lance Cpls. Tatum and Sharratt, Capts. Stone
and McConnell and Sgt. Dela Cruz have been dropped. First Lt. Grayson
has been acquitted, leaving only the case of Staff Sgt. Wuterich untested
in court and Chessani prosecutors facing the hurdles of the appeal
process.

WND previously reported a military jury of seven officers acquitted
Grayson of all charges.

The ruling by Col. Folsom yesterday followed a previous decision, in which
he confirmed evidence of unlawful command influence.

The evidence indicated two Generals (who controlled Chessani's case)
were influenced by Marine lawyer Col. Ewers, who was allowed to
attend at least 25 closed-session meetings in which the case was
discussed.

Throwing Marines under the bus

Rooney acknowledged the Haditha case taken a toll on the Marine Corps.


"There's no doubt it's affected recruiting," he told Savage. "How could you
have your sons or daughters join the Marine Corps when you're not sure
the government will protect them?"

Rooney was asked by Savage why he thought Murtha, a former Marine
himself, accused the officers and enlisted men.


"In my opinion, it's clear it was done during the election cycle, it was done
to bolster himself in the party," the attorney said. "He was vying for a
leadership position, and if he had to throw some Marines under the bus to
do so, that was the cost of power for him."


He hopes, soon, that politicians will weigh in on the case in support
of Chessani and the others.

"I would think all politicians, especially politicians that have military
records, should say something about this case," he said.

"In a horrible and very complex environment, when you have an enemy
that's using women and children as shields, you should always give the
benefit of the doubt to the Marine or soldier
," said Rooney.

"You should never bring him back and put him in front of a court martial."

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:50 am
by ElfDude
^^^^^^^^
Good news!

And now, back to the bad news...
CHICAGO (AP) - Republican presidential John McCain assured Hispanic leaders he would push through Congress legislation to overhaul federal immigration laws if elected, several people who attended a private meeting with the candidate said Thursday.

Democrats questioned why the Arizona senator held the meeting late Wednesday night in Chicago. But supporters who were in the room denied that McCain held the closed-door session out of fear of offending conservatives, many of whom want him to take a harder line on immigration.
Mr. Amnesty is not going to let up.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:59 am
by Walkinghairball
And that is one of the big "I DON'T LIKE" things that I don't like about Senator Amnesty.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:05 am
by ElfDude
Walkinghairball wrote:And that is one of the big "I DON'T LIKE" things that I don't like about Senator Amnesty.
And the problem we face in this election is that Senator Obama and most of his party is right there with McCain on this issue. We haven't got a "secure the borders and enforce the laws" candidate to vote for this year (other than some third party folks, of course).

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:15 am
by Walkinghairball
Well I have said from the get go I am not impressed with any of the canidates. Still not. The last 20 years of Presidents has really pissed me off politically.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:43 am
by CygnusX1
Walkinghairball wrote:And that is one of the big "I DON'T LIKE" things that I don't like about Senator Amnesty.
That just bugs the shit out of me about McCain.

He JUST DOESN'T GET IT. :roll:

All I can say - and feel free to say what you will - is,

thank GOD for the Minuteman Project.

Our forefathers are spinning in their graves....

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:52 am
by ElfDude
I wish I had a subscription to Fusion Magazine. Next month they'll be publishing some research they've done.

They'll be listing the positions of McCain and Obama (by using quotes from them) on a series of issues. Next to those positions they will be listing the positions of several of our founding fathers, and then Karl Marx and Josef Stalin on the very same issues.

You can probably guess what it's going to look like. It's a shame it won't be online for everyone to see.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:57 am
by CygnusX1
ElfDude wrote:I wish I had a subscription to Fusion Magazine. Next month they'll be publishing some research they've done.

They'll be listing the positions of McCain and Obama (by using quotes from them) on a series of issues. Next to those positions they will be listing the positions of several of our founding fathers, and then Karl Marx and Josef Stalin on the very same issues.

You can probably guess what it's going to look like. It's a shame it won't be online for everyone to see.
Five'll getcha ten that Obama flip-flops. It's hard to tell where the FF would
have stood on oil though. And yeah, that WOULD be something to
actually be able to SEE IT ONLINE.

We can only hope it gets posted. I'm stoked to see the comparisons.