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Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:51 am**

My father and I deduced that it may have had something to do with the freezing cold temperatures, rain, then freezing rain, then snow on Sunday night- it was just brutal out.

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:55 am**

thats a very good possibility.

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:57 am**

Minivans are the scourge of the automobile world eh Soup? That's why we have had 2 of them.

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:00 am**

Walkinghairball wrote:Loser cruisers are the scourge of the automobile world eh Soup? That's why we have had 2 of them.

FTFY

Merry Christmas!!!!

*runs like hell*

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:09 am**

coming from the owner of a Taurus?

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:17 am**

Soup4Rush wrote:coming from the owner of a Taurus?

Point taken- but I will say that Blue (yes, that's her name) has been a tank up until last month- it's just a minor hiccup though.

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:35 am**

just kidding you bro!! My sister used to drive a Taurus..

Posted: **Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:53 am**

YYZ30 wrote:
Walkinghairball wrote:Loser cruisers are the scourge of the automobile world eh Soup? That's why we have had 2 of them.

FTFY

Merry Christmas!!!!

*runs like hell*

I call them GIG RIGS!!!!

And FYI.............................^^^^^^ was funny as hell.

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:16 am**

Seems Obama is growing weary of his ever present entourage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200812 ... tico/16882

An excerpt:

HONOLULU ? The media glare, the constant security appendage and the sheer production that has become a morning jog or a hankering for an ice cream cone ? it?s been closing in on Barack Obama for some time.

Now the president-elect appears increasingly conscious of the confines of his new position, bristling at the routine demands of press coverage and beginning to chafe at boundaries that are only going to get smaller.

Obama even took the unusual step Friday morning of leaving behind the pool of reporters assigned to follow him, taking his daughters to a nearby water park without them. It was a breach of longstanding protocol between presidents (or presidents-elect) and the media, that a gaggle of reporters representing television, print and wire services is with his motorcade at all times.

Then when reporters finally caught up with Obama at Koko Marina Paradise Deli and he acknowledged them for one of few times since arriving in Hawaii last Saturday, he sounded resigned.

After ordering a tuna melt on 12-grain bread, Obama approached reporters and placed his hand on the shoulder of pool reporter Philip Rucker of The Washington Post, who was scribbling away in his notebook.

?You don't really need to write all that down,? Obama said.

Ya know what? He is SO right! Did I need to know that he ordered a tuna melt on 12-grain bread? No. Do I need pictures of his family at a water park? NO!

Yeah, he's the incoming president, I get that. And he's a celeb now because of it, but the man is still a human, a husband, a father, a friend. I think he should be able to have some privacy. I don't see things like his every food order or his personal time with his family being in the public's "right to know".

I'm glad he ditched them and I hope he makes some serious changes in this long time "understanding" of the press following his every move.

Stupid press thinking that just cuz they are the press they can stick their noses in to every little detail of anyone's life, especially the famous, and that no one can stop them.

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:24 pm**

^^^^^^^
Someone has a opinion!!!!!

(course, I happen to share that one)

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:59 pm**

Well, if he is able to change this long standing tradition of getting press up yer butt, it will end the mud slinging. (No PUn intended)

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:30 pm**

Yeah, I've an opinion on that and here's another opinion I have!

Did anyone else see this headline?

Flight 93 families ask Bush to OK land seizure

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/flight93_memorial

PHILADELPHIA ? Relatives of those who died aboard United Airlines Flight 93 want the Bush Administration to seize the land needed for a memorial where the plane crashed in Shanksville, Pa., in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The Families of Flight 93 sent a letter earlier this month asking President George W. Bush to empower the Secretary of the Interior to take the land in dispute from a homeowner who had been in negotiations with the National Parks Service, said Patrick White, vice president of the families' organization.

The group says ground must be broken early next year in time for a memorial to be build for the 10th anniversary of the crash in 2011.

Svonavec Inc. owns one of the last large chunks of land needed for the 2,200-acre memorial, including the area where the plane crashed Sept. 11, 2001.

Seize land? Hey, I'm all for a memorial to the Flight 93 heroes, but...should we really seize land for it? I mean, doesn't that go against the grain of the freedom that the nation those heroes died defending gives us? "If you won't give us the land we want at the price we want, we'll just take it anyway?"

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:33 pm**

Yeah, seizing it is wrong.

I totally agree with you t.

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:38 pm**

Shouldn't a person be allowed not to sell, even if someone else wants it badly? Even if something historic happened there?

Posted: **Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:48 pm**

awip2062 wrote:Shouldn't a person be allowed not to sell, even if someone else wants it badly? Even if something historic happened there?

Would think so, but I don't know for sure.

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