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ElfDude wrote:
Me wrote:I guess that makes Me a right wing liberal then.

Thanks ElfDude 8)
Huh? For what?
For voting on the new party.

I'm surprized that you havn't heard?

Compromise with a strong crowd, SHIT your not telling me that you haven't heard of the power behind stem cell reasearch and eventually the new race of you wandering around in circles. A excellent device to expand lifes mind of the rich, itellectual minds of the world.
Your talking about another realm of reality as we know it, if you think deeper enough about it. It's already out of the box so we might as well exceed at it for the advancement of human kind with soft steps making sure it's never used to create an army of distruction. Should never be able to be bought and that will solve 95% of the problems, only for good never evil and money decides to many questions the law to hold forever for all so it is said so it is done
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stem cell research what a vile ploy that is, taking the cells from those before they've had a chance to do must more than exist in life and use them for ones own selfish desires. That along with cloning are two of human kinds greatest disgraces.
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New party?

You've completely lost me, Me.

I'm not going to comment on stem cell research... I really haven't formed a solid opinion on it yet. There are people whose opinions I value on both sides of the issue. I need to do more homework.
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If used responsibly never for profit it has a place totaly free to anyone insuring it's perfection. Of course strickly regulated through a cental branch, for water on the brain & incurable deases. It's an intense thought, the implications that could arrive on it's use. We are humans and our desire for advancement will endure, whether we like it or not.
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In reality the whirlpool of political visatude is taken right out of the equation with it being free.
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Sir Myghin wrote:stem cell research what a vile ploy that is, taking the cells from those before they've had a chance to do must more than exist in life and use them for ones own selfish desires. That along with cloning are two of human kinds greatest disgraces.
Don't worry too much...they can ged stem cells from umbilical cords not harming anything. And fuck cloning.
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Doesn't matter that's our nature advancement sooner or later it's going to come about just my opinion. Little Xanadus running all about, now there's something to contemplate :shock:
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But we could clone Rush and have them for another 50 years!!! They so old... :cry:
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EndlesslyRocking wrote:I notice you didn't quote the Gallup Poll showing Bush trailing Kerry by 6%...
You're not talking about this one, are you?

TWISTED: LA Times Poll Had Sample With 38% Democrats, 25% Republicans
Tue Jun 15 2004 10:13:47 ET

Sen. John Kerry "has taken big lead," according "to an L.A. Times poll."

But the Times poll that showed Kerry "beating Bush by 7 points" has created a controversy over whether the poll's sample accurately reflects the population as whole, ROLL CALL reports on Tuesday.

"Not counting independents, the Times' results were calculated on a sample made up of 38 percent Democrats and 25 percent Republicans -- a huge and unheard-of margin," ROLL CALL claims.

Developing...
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Nope. I said it was a Gallup poll.

I'm talking about this one: http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11941
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Xanadu wrote:Don't worry too much...they can ged stem cells from umbilical cords not harming anything. And fuck cloning.
But they want them from 5 day old babies.
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EndlesslyRocking wrote:Nope. I said it was a Gallup poll.

I'm talking about this one: http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11941
Yeah, I know, I just had to get in a jab at the LA times deliberately skewing a poll. I've looked at recent news. Poll after poll after poll after poll, national polls, presidential polls, don't show Bush ahead in any of them. They are either tied or Kerry is ahead anywhere from two to six points. These polls are recent, taken during last week, some of them over the weekend. Something about this... the way the media keeps shifting... something is weird about it all.

We go back three weeks in the media and we see the Democrats wringing their hands because Kerry is not connecting with anybody, and then two weeks ago it's reported that everybody felt so good in the Democratic Party, they're going to win the White House and the House back, and the Senate back, and all the governorships, etc... they're going to win everything. And then the Reagan funeral sort of took over everything for a week.

Then yesterday in the Washington Post, we're back to the Democrats leaking to members of the press that they are upset with Kerry in a Jim VandeHei story entitled Doubts Linger as Kerry Advances. He writes, "Supporters want a sharper image. John F. Kerry has shattered fundraising records, unified an oft-warring party and pushed past President Bush in some national polls. Yet many Democratic voters, officials and even members of Kerry's staff express an ambivalence -- or angst."

If things are so great in all the polls, why the angst?

The Post story continues, "These Democrats say the enthusiasm for defeating Bush runs much stronger and deeper than the passion for electing Kerry. The chief reason: The senator from Massachusetts, they say, has not crisply articulated what a Kerry presidency would stand for beyond undoing much of the Bush agenda. So far, these concerns have not slowed Kerry. But if Kerry cannot change this perception coming out of next month's Democratic convention in Boston, it could prove much harder for the party to maximize turnout, win over Ralph Nader voters and keep independents from swinging to Bush, they say." John Podesta, White House chief of staff on the Clinton administration, states "You can't just be against something. [Voters] want a positive vision of where the country is going, and he [Kerry] has to provide that."

"Representative Bart Gordon, well known Democrat from Tennessee, said for Kerry to win the presidency?'Bush has to lose the confidence of the public and the next thing that has to happen? [is] Kerry has to convince the public he's an acceptable alternative. He has not passed that threshold, but he is making progress.' Asked whether he is excited about Kerry's candidacy, Gordon said, 'I am excited about a change of the administration. I think Kerry is a solid guy; he's not an exciting guy.'"

"One standard barometer of voter enthusiasm is how strongly partisans support their presidential candidate. By this measure, Kerry is doing far worse than Bush, but markedly better than Al Gore at this point in 2000. In a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, 68 percent of Democrats strongly supported Kerry and 89 percent of Republicans expressed strong support for Bush."

Seeing margins like that sort of (to me) taints all these polls showing how wonderful things are for Kerry.

Anyway, the story continues, "Although Democratic constituencies from unions to abortion rights activists remain committed to Kerry despite concerns about his commitment to their issues, the durability of that loyalty could be tested soon. Many Democrats are bracing for a Bush resurgence -- if not in the weeks ahead, then after the GOP's national convention in August. After Bush's poll numbers dropped to what history says are perilous levels, he has hit a run of potentially good fortune."

So it appears that Democrats on the inside aren't putting a lot of faith in these polls, and they're worried Kerry doesn't have the ability to close ground if Bush pulls ahead.

But it's still WAY too early to be calling any of it anyway. There's a lot that's going to happen between now and the election.
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Xanadu wrote:Don't worry too much...they can ged stem cells from umbilical cords not harming anything. And fuck cloning.
But they want them from 5 day old babies.
Cite?


My understanding is that the main source - at present - is aborted foetuses. Which is why the so-called "pro-life" brigade are up in arms.
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Devil's Advocate wrote:My understanding is that the main source - at present - is aborted foetuses. Which is why the so-called "pro-life" brigade are up in arms.
That was my understanding too. But, like I said, I haven't yet done my homework on this issue.

Why do you put pro-life in quotes? Is it because that crowd also tends to favor capitol punishment?
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Well, because the aborted fetus is pretty much done with it's life... That would be my guess! I'm sure they need the permission of the parent or something?
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