By-Tor.com

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:08 am**

Wait a sec... you said that earthfiles.com was kooky and couldn't be trusted but you back yourself up with the wikipedia which absolutely anyone can edit to say whatever they please? Let's show a little consistency here, mate.

Dude, I know you can find lots of people with credentials who will say, "It's carbon dioxide and it's man-made and it's our fault and we're killing our planet with it". I know you can. I see the headlines all the time. I and believe that there are plenty who aren't politically motivated (though a lot of them are). And I'm not calling you stupid or a liar. I'm just saying that I'm not buying it yet. And when it comes to Al Gore, the hypocrisy is huge.

DECEMBER 7, 1997 23:56 PST

GLOBAL WARMING ALERT: GORE BURNS 439,500 LBS OF FUEL TO ATTEND SUMMIT

"The most vulnerable part of the Earth's environment is the very thin layer
of air clinging near to the surface of the planet, that we are now so
carelessly filling with gaseous wastes that we are actually altering the
relationship between the Earth and the Sun - by trapping more solar
radiation under this growing blanket of pollution that envelops the entire
world," Vice President Gore told the U.N. Global Warming conference of 159
nations this morning in Koyto, Japan.

In what was one the most dramatic speeches in recent memory, Gore announced
to world leaders: "Whether we recognize it or not, we are now engaged in an
epic battle to right the balance of our Earth, and the tide of this battle
will turn on when the majority of people in the world become sufficiently
aroused by shared sense of urgent danger to join an all-out effort."

Applause filed the halls of the Kyoto International Conference Center. "We
must achieve a safe overall concentration level for greenhouse gases in the
Earth's atmosphere."

carbondioxidemethanenitrousoxidehydrofluorocarbonsperfluorocarbonssulfurhexa
chloride.

The message is serious. So serious in fact, the DRUDGE REPORT has
calculated that Vice President Al Gore is burning more than 439,500 pounds
of fuel, or 65,600 gallons, at a cost of more than $131,000 on his 16,000
mile daytrip, just to deliver the warning.

Now that's commitment.

Air Force II's Global Warming Express features an itinerary that takes the
vice president from Washington to Florida to Washington to Alaska to Japan
and back -- all in just 72-hours.

Saturday, December 6, 1997

9:45 a.m. Air Force II departs Andrews AFB enroute Fort Myers, Fla.

12:05 p.m. Air Force II arrives Southwest Florida Regional Airport. Gate 69-A.

2 p.m. Vice President Gore addresses the 50th Anniversary/Rededication,
Everglades Municipal Airport, Everglades National Park.

6:40 p.m. Air Force II departs Florida en route AFB.

8:35 p.m. Air Force II arrives at Andrews Air Force Base.

9:45 p.m. -- Air Force II departs Andrews Air Force Base en route Elmendorf
Air Force Base

Sunday, Dec. 7

1:15 a.m. -- Air Force II arrives Elmendorf Air Force Base, Anchorage, Alaska

2:45 a.m. -- Air Force II departs Elmendorf Air Force Base en route Osaka, Japan

Monday, Dec. 8

5 a.m. -- Air Force II arrives Osaka International Airport, Osaka Japan

11:15 p.m. -- Air Force II departs Osaka, Japan en route Elmendorf Air Force
Base

12:35 p.m. -- Air Force II arrives Elmendorf Air Force Base, Anchorage, Alaska

2:05 p.m. -- Air Force II departs Elmendorf Air Force Base en route Andrews
Air Force Base

Tuesday, Dec. 9

12:45 a.m. -- Air Force II arrives Andrews Air Force Base

----

"The extra heat which cannot escape is beginning to change the global
patterns of climate to which we are accustomed. Our fundamental challenge
now is to find out whether and how we can change the behaviors that are
causing the problem."

Gore's plane, a Boeing 707 gas guzzler burns on average 4.1 gallons a mile.
The complete Washington to Florida to Washington to Alaska to Japan and
return to Washington trip calculated from commercial air mileage tables is
just over 16,000 miles total. Gas gallons needed for AIR FORCE II to go
16,000 miles: 65,600. Applying the average price of $2.01 per gallon of
Jet A to the 16,000 mile r/t -- the fuel cost alone passes $131,000.00.
There are 6.7 pounds per gallon of jet fuel. Total pounds of fuel burned on
Gore's Global Warming Express -- 439,500.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:20 am**

ElfDude wrote:Wait a sec... you said that earthfiles.com was kooky and couldn't be trusted but you back yourself up with the wikipedia which absolutely anyone can edit to say whatever they please? Let's show a little consistency here, mate.

Touche.

Dude, I know you can find lots of people with credentials who will say, "It's carbon dioxide and it's man-made and it's our fault and we're killing our planet with it". I know you can. I see the headlines all the time. I and believe that there are plenty who aren't politically motivated (though a lot of them are). And I'm not calling you stupid or a liar. I'm just saying that I'm not buying it yet.

Which part do you not buy?

Is it the part about carbon dioxide being added to the atmosphere due to human activity?
Or is it the part about that carbon dioxide having an effect on the atmosphere?

And when it comes to Al Gore, the hypocrisy is huge.

DECEMBER 7, 1997 23:56 PST

GLOBAL WARMING ALERT: GORE BURNS 439,500 LBS OF FUEL TO ATTEND SUMMIT

Hm. ad hominem tu quoque.

How would you have preferred he travel to that summit? Sailing ship?

More to the point, if anyone had paid attention to what he said at the summit - if Dubya hadn't subsequently thrown out the Kyoto agreement - how many tons of carbon would not have found their way into the atmosphere?

And finally, the implication that the half million pounds of fuel was just for the one man's journey is almost certainly wrong. Is it really the case that he and the flight crew were the only people aboard the 'plane?

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:29 am**

Why be upset at Dubya for not signing the treaty that Clinton didn't think should be signed? Shouldn't we be mad at both of them?

Personally, after looking at it, I am glad neither signed.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:33 am**

Doesn't really matter who didn't sign it. It it had been ratified, there'd be less carbon dioxide in the atmpsphere.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:38 am**

Kyoto was about hurting industry. Hats off to anyone who didn't sign it.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:40 am**

My point was that there is a tendency to point a finger at the person who is not in agreement with oneself on most issues and not to point a finger at the person who is in agreement with oneself. Dubya (whom we know you disagree with) gets yelled about when Clinton (whom we know is more along your lines of though) did the same thing, in this case.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:50 am**

Sorry, mate. You asked questions. I got distracted and didn't answer.

The part I'm not buying is that because of human activity we have less than ten years to live because of climate change.

As to the summit, we could have conserved a bundle by not having it. Terrible waste.

And yes, he was flying a private plane. There were probably members of the press with him, in addition to the flight crew. Presidents and vice presidents do that. At times I understand it for security reasons. But I also think there's often a lot of waste and extravagance. While not a wacko environmentalist, I do remain a conservationist.

He also shows up to the local events driving a huge SUV. I've got no problem with SUV's, but if he believed his own words wouldn't he be driving an electric car, or at least a hybrid?

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 11:54 am**

I have a problem with electric cars and hybrids in that I have yet to see one that would haul my family and our gear with us. I wouldn't mind having a vehicle that was easy on energy use, but...try putting three kids, guitars, a bass, a 60-watt bass amp and sports gear into one of those and it just doesn't work. With as much as we play away from home, I have to drive something that can haul

Of course, there are people out there who are mad because I have four kids.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 12:04 pm**

awip2062 wrote:I have a problem with electric cars and hybrids in that I have yet to see one that would haul my family and our gear with us. I wouldn't mind having a vehicle that was easy on energy use, but...try putting three kids, guitars, a bass, a 60-watt bass amp and sports gear into one of those and it just doesn't work. With as much as we play away from home, I have to drive something that can haul

Of course, there are people out there who are mad because I have four kids.

That's why both you and I drive Chevy Astro mini-vans! They're a good compromise.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 12:07 pm**

Exactly! They haul the gear and the kids and aren't as bad on gas as they could be.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 12:31 pm**

Whoa! I just went and poked around earthfiles.com for the first time myself. My only previous visit was to read the interview I posted here. There really are some kooky things on there!

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 12:34 pm**

Like you looking about, Elf?

Yes, that's right, I called you kooky. *wink*

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 12:58 pm**

awip2062 wrote: Yes, that's right, I called you kooky. *wink*

But you did it with affection.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 1:06 pm**

Well, yeah. You are my friend.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2006 1:35 pm**

just when you thought it was safe to run that internal combustion engine without reprisal...out pops Al Gore again...

oh no...global warming on a colossal scale!!!

funny....we're opening our swimming pools this weekend in the mid-atlantic, and we've been in the 50's in the mornings...60's in the afternoons......

what is THAT? global COOLING possibly?

if I hear ONE MORE THING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING...something's gonna get broke

hahaha

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