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EJLUVSRUSH wrote:Hey, Atlas Shrugged! My wife owns that book. I was just looking at it the other day! it's on her desk right now.

I gave her a hard time cuz it's Ayn Rand who as we all know is associated with RUSH if not Neil, and she HATES RUSH.....

It was pretty satisfying.

Sort of, I assume you know the liner notes for 2112 were a CYA by Neil just incase, not a intentional very similar story. Neil may have read her but association ends there.

awip2062 wrote:Personally, I think it is stupidity to try to trash someone from the left cuz they are from the left or from the right cuz they are from the right. Idiotic party politics...

I'm with you t. I see the bravo sierra on both sides of the aisle.

They are definitely NOT looking out for us.

Hopefully, some new blood will get elected in 2010....

New faces that haven't been corrupted by power and greed.

I know, I'd have better luck winning the lottery.

Okay, so I am reading an article about the bill being sent to Obama's desk restricting credit card companies in how they raise rates and as I get to the end the penultimate sentence is, "Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. "



I think that a bill should stick to ONE subject! If the bill won't pass without something else being liked to it, then it should not pass.

^^^^^^^^

AGREED!!!!

You got that right, t.....

You know, that reminds me of the TV show M.A.S.H., where Corporal
'Radar" O'Reilly gets Colonel Potter to sign off on stuff he doesn't even
know is included in the request put before him to approve.

In this case Obama does, but I think it was a move to make any one of
the issues in the bill fly by appealing to both sides with two differing
motives. If he likes one, he must sign to approve both.

Quid pro quo. (This for that)

I, personally, like both proposals. On one hand, my friend had her credit
card rates increased overnight, for no apparent reason other than the
right to do so.

On the other hand, if I'm in a National Park known to have predators, I'm
packin' heat - whether it's legal or not. If our forefathers did it to protect
themselves, than we should be able to do it legally too.

"I'd rather be judged by twelve - than carried by six." - G. Gordon Liddy

CygnusX1 wrote:You got that right, t.....

You know, that reminds me of the TV show M.A.S.H., where Corporal
'Radar" O'Reilly gets Colonel Potter to sign off on stuff he doesn't even
know is included in the request put before him to approve.

actually bro, That was Colonel Blake... being an avid Mash fan, I had to set the record straight. I still love ya though bro!!

Soup4Rush wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:You got that right, t.....

You know, that reminds me of the TV show M.A.S.H., where Corporal
'Radar" O'Reilly gets Colonel Potter to sign off on stuff he doesn't even
know is included in the request put before him to approve.

actually bro, That was Colonel Blake... being an avid Mash fan, I had to set the record straight. I still love ya though bro!!

Thankyeeeew. LOL

Setting aside the truly ludicrous idea that imprisoned terrorists are going to break out of prison like something out of an old Jimmy Cagney movie, I have heard from a number of people who say we should be worried that these terrorist prisoners will spread their ideas within the prison system. If you imagine that these al Qaida dudes are going to be hanging around the prison yard, pumping iron and forming their own Islamist gang to go toe to toe with the Aryan Brotherhood and the Black Guerrilla Family that might make some sense. But I don't think these folks are really familiar with how the federal supermax facilities work these days -- particularly the premier one in Florence, Colorado, where all the high profile baddies are. All these guys are in solitary lockdown at least 23 hours a day, when they're allowed into a special exercise cage. Then there's the 78 cell "control unit" for prisoners who are not allowed any contact with anyone

Big Blue Owl wrote:Setting aside the truly ludicrous idea that
imprisoned terrorists are going to break out of prison like something out
of an old Jimmy Cagney movie, I have heard from a number of people
who say we should be worried that these terrorist prisoners will spread
their ideas within the prison system. If you imagine that these al Qaida
dudes are going to be hanging around the prison yard, pumping iron and
forming their own Islamist gang to go toe to toe with the Aryan
Brotherhood and the Black Guerrilla Family that might make some sense.
But I don't think these folks are really familiar with how the federal
supermax facilities work these days -- particularly the premier one in
Florence, Colorado, where all the high profile baddies are. All these guys
are in solitary lockdown at least 23 hours a day, when they're allowed
into a special exercise cage. Then there's the 78 cell "control unit" for
prisoners who are not allowed any contact with anyone

They're in Club Med now at GITMO....They'll be truly tortured seven levels
below ground in a supermax.

If the suits want them to feel REALLY tortured, then by all means,
send 'em stateside.

GITMO is PERFECT for them. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Our own troops get treated worse in boot camp. Seriously.

Heres something for you. I am a wrestling fan, most of you know this. I really like the old school wrestlers. One in perticular was former Minnesota Governor.......Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

Jesse is an Independant.......................likes Obama, hates Bush. Is a former Navy SEAL. HAS been waterboarded as part of his training.

Jesse calls waterboarding torture.

There are various YouTube vids of him talking to the View Chicks, and with Glenn Beck. (I think it was Glenn)

Personally, I am still on the fence about this, (Is it/is it not), torture thing, but I know one thing....................It's not hacking a non combattants head off with a freakin knife, or dragging their beaten broken bodies thru town to light them on fire and hang them off a bridge either.

Gah, this arguement is like the fuggin Energizer bunny.

To me, if you have to lean on someone a bit to get info that can save lives without maiming, killing, or mutilating the dude, it's good policing. And putting unders on someones head or piling them nekked on each other is Humiliation, not Torture.

^^^^
Is my wooden nickel.

Walkinghairball wrote:Heres something for you. I am a wrestling fan, most of you know this. I really like the old school wrestlers. One in perticular was former Minnesota Governor.......Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

Jesse is an Independant.......................likes Obama, hates Bush. Is a former Navy SEAL. HAS been waterboarded as part of his training.

Jesse calls waterboarding torture.

There are various YouTube vids of him talking to the View Chicks, and with Glenn Beck. (I think it was Glenn)

I saw him on "Hannity" last week. I respect his opinion, (and remember -
McCain said it was torture too) but I'm not buying into it.

If they pulled their teeth or fingernails out or broke bones - I'd say THAT
qualifies as torture.

One thing though - nothing is said about what Britain's SAS does during
interrogations...

You think WE'RE bad? Get real.

CygnusX1 wrote:

Walkinghairball wrote:Heres something for you. I am a wrestling fan, most of you know this. I really like the old school wrestlers. One in perticular was former Minnesota Governor.......Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

Jesse is an Independant.......................likes Obama, hates Bush. Is a former Navy SEAL. HAS been waterboarded as part of his training.

Jesse calls waterboarding torture.

There are various YouTube vids of him talking to the View Chicks, and with Glenn Beck. (I think it was Glenn)

If they pulled their teeth or fingernails out or broke bones - I'd say THAT
qualifies as torture.

See below......

"To me, if you have to lean on someone a bit to get info that can save lives without maiming, killing, or mutilating the dude, it's good policing. And putting unders on someones head or piling them nekked on each other is Humiliation, not Torture."

Pulling teeth or fingernails and broken bones qualifies as torture to me.

Agreed.

Walkinghairball wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

Walkinghairball wrote:Heres something for you. I am a wrestling fan, most of you know this. I really like the old school wrestlers. One in perticular was former Minnesota Governor.......Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

Jesse is an Independant.......................likes Obama, hates Bush. Is a former Navy SEAL. HAS been waterboarded as part of his training.

Jesse calls waterboarding torture.

There are various YouTube vids of him talking to the View Chicks, and with Glenn Beck. (I think it was Glenn)

If they pulled their teeth or fingernails out or broke bones - I'd say THAT
qualifies as torture.

See below......

"To me, if you have to lean on someone a bit to get info that can save lives without maiming, killing, or mutilating the dude, it's good policing. And putting unders on someones head or piling them nekked on each other is Humiliation, not Torture."

Pulling teeth or fingernails and broken bones qualifies as torture to me.

Agreed.

Wurd.

Besides, where was all the outrage when poor Danny Pearl was being
beheaded by Muslim fanatical terrorists on video, or the mutilated U.S.
troops being dragged through Mogadishu by a rope?

This "waterboarding is torture" bullshit just makes me want to spit on my TV.

Ok, so now a different problem..........................N. Korea.


Underground nuke test!!! I hope the world around them goes in to police this BS up. We are a little too busy trying to unfeck the rest of the world.

Walkinghairball wrote:Ok, so now a different problem..........................N. Korea.


Underground nuke test!!! I hope the world around them goes in to police
this BS up. We are a little too busy trying to unfeck the rest of the world.

Waterboard 'em all, dammit! hahahaha

Seriously, we need to get China to "tighten the screws" a bit. They're in
bed with PRK, but they're like a big brother.

PRK needs Chinese fuel and resources to survive.

PRK's playing "Texas Hold'em," and they just raised on the flop.

I think China is the key player here, but if they don't wanna play, then all
bets are off.