What Ameircans believe about Iraq, 9/11, etc.

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:57 pm

Jus' passin-the-word brah...thanks

Me · Post by Me » Thu May 25, 2006 2:16 pm

Hi Siggy,
What you been up to?
Hows the farm?
I gtgbbbl

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Thu May 25, 2006 2:23 pm

What's up ME?

Hanging in there.....Almost off work and free for another evening...Gotta take care of "Sigette" though...she hurt her hand at work(sprained her wrist)and I gotta help out at the homestead...

Hope things are good your way mate...Take care and rock steady

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Thu May 25, 2006 2:39 pm

*hands Siggs a broom* Rush on, and say hi to Sigette for us.

BTW...as for the pic of the federal employees on federal time...

that is not ESTABLISHMENT of religion. It is allowing the free practice thereof, which Congress is not allowed to make any laws against.

Now if they were told they had to believe in G-d and forced to pray to Him...

But allowing people to practice what they believe is no more establishment than allowing federal employees to eat hamburgers is endorsing the meat companies.

Devil's Advocate · Post by **Devil's Advocate** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:20 pm

awip2062 wrote:BTW...as for the pic of the federal employees on federal time...

that is not ESTABLISHMENT of religion. It is allowing the free practice thereof, which Congress is not allowed to make any laws against.

How can you tell?

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:30 pm

Because establishment means that they are saying, "This is the religion you will practice by law." That is not what is happening.

Devil's Advocate · Post by **Devil's Advocate** » Fri May 26, 2006 3:52 am

Well, no, it's not as simple as that.

But even if it were: how can you tell that those soldiers were not instructed to pray, all at the same time and in the same way? You think they all spontaneously and simultaneously decided to pray at exactly the same time and in exactly the same way?

With only a picture, we can't know. But I do know which is more likely.

Not all people - not even all Christians adopt the same posture when they say their prayers. And yet the men (they are all men, aren't they?) in that photo are doing just that. I smell a rat.

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:29 am

Nah, this country is too litigious for that. If someone were forced to pray to a god in which he didn't believe, there would be lawsuits all over the place.

They're either bowing their heads while a chaplain says a prayer, or they were given a moment of silence to either pray or just be silent. As to all standing the same, I thought that's what soldiers did...

Rest assured, there was no, "All right you MAGGOTS! You are going to pray and you are going to pray RIGHT NOW! You are going to pray to the God of ABRAHAM, ISAAC, and JACOB!!! ANYONE CAUGHT NOT PRAYING WILL BE DOING KP FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS!!! Anyone caught praying to ALLAH WILL BE COURTMARTIALED!!!"

Walkinghairball · Post by **Walkinghairball** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:37 am

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No Elf I can bet they were not scolded to do it, but rather just did because that is what a trained soldier does.

Me being a former Army soldier can remember being just like that, and we all know I have a problem with religion. BUT in the military EVERYTHING is uniform. so, that explains it.

And the proper order would be something like this...........*Clears throat.*

"Company........Attention!"

"Prepair cranial front leaning pray position..............MOVE!!"

"PRAY!"

Yeah, that would have been a joke one of us smartasses would have said after the formation to our buddies.

No rat there....................just uniformity, it is what they are trained to do.

Me · Post by Me » Fri May 26, 2006 7:40 am

I knew it would get interesting in the political thread with Elfdude around and super happy he is back. I am a civil servant so stay out of most frays discussions etc (at least try) lucky for me I work at a park and no longer work on weapon systems, now I just plant trees and I DO work and work hard for the betterment of human kind not the distruction.

Signed,
In the bleaches

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Fri May 26, 2006 8:34 am

Me wrote:I knew it would get interesting in the political thread with Elfdude around and super happy he is back. I am a civil servant so stay out of most frays discussions etc (at least try) lucky for me I work at a park and no longer work on weapon systems, now I just plant trees and I DO work and work hard for the betterment of human kind not the distruction.

Signed,
In the bleaches

It's happy to be back. And this time around I'm determined to keep my debate light-hearted.

As for you, Mr. Me, thank you for being the exception. So many of us run into civil servants (usually at the DMV) who know they won't lose their jobs no matter how uncivilly they behave. But you go out of your way to try to bring a smile to pretty much any stranger's face. We love ya for that!

Me · Post by Me » Fri May 26, 2006 9:21 am

Thank you for the positive thoughts Elfdude.

Siggy hope Sigette is getting along better, guess you'll have to go fetch the fresh eggs and scramble them up for her

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:51 am

yeah ME...been there--done that hahaha

I don't mind though.....she's taken care of me too many times for me to complain!

Thanks for the well wishes too....She's kinda down about it, but she's learning to cope with day-to-day stuff 'till they take her "club" off hahaha

And Elfdude, I'm a civil servant too, but I do electrical and traffic signal stuff for a living, so I can't lower myself to the rudeness that so many people associate with it...

I have too many customers and motorists to keep happy myself! hahaha

schuette · Post by **schuette** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:11 am

if you look at the pic not everyone's head is bowed....albeit only about 2 or 3 are upright but still...
no matter where I am or what the consequences are you will never see me pray

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:19 am

that's okay schu, doesn't bother me in the least, but doesn't it feel humbling to know that scads of your(and our) countrymen fell--so you could keep the freedom to CHOOSE?