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Verah kewl . . . it's all between the ears!
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Testify, my Navy Brother!
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^^^

ALWAYS READ THE AGREEMENT! :shock:
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Wow even foreign use of whatever is on my computer.

Is this the same website we are being encourage to log on to by one of our local car dealers?
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Massive protest to be held in D.C. on 9/12

http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/top ... nt-shut-up
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CygnusX1 wrote:Massive protest to be held in D.C. on 9/12

http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/top ... nt-shut-up
I wish I could go. Then I could act like these guys in San Francisco a few years ago! :-D

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^^^

The land of fruit and nuts, for sure. :roll: (No pun intended.)

They're irrelevant.

California has their own illegal alien/entitlement "house of cards" to keep
propping up, Nancy Pelosi and Babs "Ma'am" Boxer.

They're going straight down the crapper.

(That's what happens to a sanctuary state.)

But, yet again, ^^^ a perfect example of hypocricy.

Wonder what they'd say if we dressed like that (or not at all) and
called for Chairman O's (and "say-it-ain't-so" Joe's) impeachment?
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All eyes on Eastern U.S. coastline and Canadian Maritimes on Hurricane Bill

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From MSN this morning.
Freed Lockerbie bomber jets back to Libya
Victims? relatives in U.S. express outrage after Scotland releases terrorist

Hundreds of people gathered outside Greenock Prison on Thursday to watch as a convoy took Abdel Baset al-Megrahi to Glasgow Airport.

EDINBURGH, Scotland - Scotland freed the Lockerbie bomber on compassionate grounds Thursday, allowing the terminally ill man to die in his homeland of Libya and rejecting American pleas for justice in the attack that killed 270 people.

The White House said it "deeply regrets" the Scottish government's decision, and U.S. family members immediately expressed outrage.

Television footage showed Abdel Baset al-Megrahi boarding a plane at Glasgow Airport at around 3.10 p.m. local time (10.10 a.m. EDT). The flight departed about 15 minutes later. Al-Megrahi was expected to land in Tripoli later Thursday.

The Times of London reported that the private jet of Libya's leader, Moammar Gadhafi, had been sent to collect al-Megrahi.

Al-Megrahi, who had served only eight years of his life sentence, was recently given only months to live after being diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer.

Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill said although al-Megrahi had not shown compassion to his victims ? many of whom were American college students flying home to New York for Christmas ? MacAskill was motivated by Scottish values to show mercy.

"Some hurts can never heal, some scars can never fade," MacAskill said. "Those who have been bereaved cannot be expected to forget, let alone forgive ... However, Mr. al-Megrahi now faces a sentence imposed by a higher power."

Al-Megrahi, 57, was convicted in 2001 of taking part in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 on Dec. 21, 1988. He was sentenced to life in prison. The airliner exploded over Scotland, and all 259 people aboard and 11 on the ground died when it crashed into the town of Lockerbie.

The former Libyan intelligence officer was sentenced to serve a minimum of 27 years in a Scottish prison for Britain's deadliest terrorist attack. But a 2007 review of his case found grounds for an appeal of his conviction, and many in Britain believe he is innocent.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday the United States disagreed with the decision to free al-Megrahi.

"We continue to believe that Megrahi should serve out his sentence in Scotland," Gibbs said. "On this day, we extend our deepest sympathies to the families who live every day with the loss of their loved ones."

MacAskill said he stood by al-Megrahi's conviction and the sentence for "the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed on U.K. soil."

He said he ruled out sending the bomber back to Libya under a prisoner-transfer agreement, saying the U.S. victims had been given assurances that al-Megrahi would serve out his sentence in Scotland.

But he said that as a prisoner given less than three months to live by doctors, al-Megrahi was eligible for compassionate release.

"I am conscious that there are deeply held feelings and many will disagree whatever my decision," he said. "However, a decision has to be made."

The families of some American victims lashed out.

"I think it's appalling, disgusting and so sickening I can hardly find words to describe it," said Susan Cohen of Cape May Court House, N.J., whose 20-year-old daughter, Theodora, died in the attack. "This isn't about compassionate release. This is part of give-Gadhafi-what-he-wants-so-we-can-have-the-oil."

"I don't understand how the Scots can show compassion. It's an utter insult and utterly disgusting," said Kara Weipz, of Mt. Laurel, New Jersey, whose 20-year-old brother Richard Monetti was on board Pan Am Flight 103. "It's horrible. I don't show compassion for someone who showed no remorse."

Al-Megrahi's trial and conviction led to a major shift in Libya's relationship with the West.

Gadhafi engineered a rapprochement with his former critics following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. He renounced terrorism, dismantled Libya's secret nuclear program, accepted his government's responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the victims' families.

Western energy companies ? including Britain's BP PLC ? have moved into Libya in an effort to tap the country's vast oil and gas wealth.

Gadhafi has lobbied for the return of al-Megrahi, an issue which took on an added sense of urgency when he was diagnosed with cancer last year. His lawyers say his condition is deteriorating and doctors have given him less than three months to live.

The question of freeing al-Megrahi has divided Lockerbie families, with many in Britain in favor of setting him free and many in the U.S. adamantly opposed.

British Rev. John Mosey, whose daughter Helga, 19, died in the attack, said Wednesday he would be glad to see al-Megrahi return home.

"It is right he should go home to die in dignity with his family. I believe it is our Christian duty to show mercy," he said.

Libyans, meanwhile, were ready to celebrate the return of al-Megrahi, whom they see as an innocent victim of the West's campaign to turn their country into an international pariah.

"Exoneration. That's what we've been waiting for, and what (his release) would be," said Mohammed Abdel-Hameed, a 76-year-old retiree catching some shade behind a column in the square. "We all paid for Lockerbie, but al-Megrahi paid the highest price."

"It was all fabrication on fabrication," said Ramadan Misbahi, 45, as friends seated around him at an outdoor cafe nodded in agreement. "He didn't do anything."

The Lockerbie bombing sealed Libya's reputation as a terror sponsor in the eyes of the West. United Nations sanctions were imposed in 1992, augmenting others already imposed by the United States. The measures, as a whole, barred U.S. firms from doing business in Libya and barred air travel in and out of Libya.

The sanctions shaped the lives of a generation of Libyans. People had to drive to neighboring Tunisia or take a ferry to Malta to travel abroad. Quality goods were hard to come by.

With little foreign investment ? even from Europeans ? and heavy government control of the local economy, cities like Tripoli fell into disrepair, buildings became run down, and Libyans felt cut off from the world.

Would it not be poetic if this guys plane goes down on route to Lybia????

(From the private jet part only that is.)
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So previously Gahdafi distanced himself from terrorism and even paid families of the victims but now he uses his own jet to fly a convicted terrorist home?
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I can't believe it....Maybe he'll try another mission before he kicks and
meet one of our highly motivated snipers. :twisted:

Yeah Hairy, what you said would be sweet karma, wouldn't it?

Right on, Bro.

Somebody should slap some sense into those Scots too, but I'm not hatin.'

We've made some stupid moves too. Nobody's perfect.
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BOSTON (Reuters) ? U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy, a towering figure in the Democratic Party who took the helm of one of America's most fabled political families after two older brothers were assassinated, died at age 77, his family said.
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The real US unemployment rate is 16 percent if persons who have dropped out of the labor pool and those working less than they would like are counted, a Federal Reserve official said Wednesday.

"If one considers the people who would like a job but have stopped looking -- so-called discouraged workers -- and those who are working fewer hours than they want, the unemployment rate would move from the official 9.4 percent to 16 percent, said Atlanta Fed chief Dennis Lockhart.

He underscored that he was expressing his own views, which did "do not necessarily reflect those of my colleagues on the Federal Open Market Committee," the policy-setting body of the central bank.

Lockhart pointed out in a speech to a chamber of commerce in Chattanooga, Tennessee that those two categories of people are not taken into account in the Labor Department's monthly report on the unemployment rate. The official July jobless rate was 9.4 percent.
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ElfDude wrote:
BOSTON (Reuters) ? U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy, a towering figure in the Democratic Party who took the helm of one of America's most fabled political families after two older brothers were assassinated, died at age 77, his family said.
My condolences go out to the Kennedy family.

They've been through so much. :???:

One thing I'll give Ted Kennedy - he always stuck to his guns. :)
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