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This is just unbelievable...I'm glad they pulled the video.
It was totally ignorant and a slap in the face.
Thanks Penn State.
Now go re-elect Murtha and have a big 'fruit and nut' sundae together.
What a bunch of SP Jackasses.
Veterans Outraged Over Penn State Video
By Dann Cuellar
MEDIA, Pa. - April 8, 2009 (WPVI) -- A Penn State training video showing
educators how to deal with troublesome students has some Veterans
hopping mad.
The controversial video has since been pulled from Penn State's webpage,
but the outrage continues to mount, even among those who founded the
American Veteran's Museum.
"It's a product of ignorance, people who don't know veterans, haven't
served in the military of don't have that kind of experience with
veterans," Pennsylvania State Representative Bryan Lentz said. Lentz,
who served in Iraq with the Army, is among those terribly disturbed by
the since-removed video designed to show instructors how to cope
with "worrisome student behaviors."
In the video, the instructor tells the department head he is still having a
problem with a student.
The department head responds, "The Veteran?"
The instructor goes on to explain to the department head that she's very
nervous because the veteran student has confronted her about the poor
grades he's receiving.
The instructor says to the student, "This isn't a personal thing against
you."
The student responds, ": I think it is, you've made it very clear in your
class how you feel about the war and you're taking it out on me."
The instructor says, "My personal beliefs have nothing to do with the way
I treat you."
Joe Dymond, who served in Iraq with the Marine Corp, is disturbed that
the video portrays veterans as monsters.
"Instead of teaching understanding and compassion, our educators are
teaching that veterans coming back from this war are someone to be
feared, someone to be scared of," Dymond said.
Robert Pavone, who served with the Army in Iraq, calls it stereotyping.
"It kind of hurts you inside, like why would anyone portray us like that?"
Pavone said.
Media Mayor Bob McMahon, who served in Vietnam, remembers how his
colleagues were treated coming back from the war back in the 60's and
says, "here we go again."
"Here we are with a college, a college that just doesn't understand what
it's like to serve in combat and therefore they have a perception that
they probably didn't realize was created in Vietnam," McMahon said.
Tonight, the university released a statement saying, "The video has been
pulled and that there was certainly no intent to suggest that any
particular student group was inclined toward worrisome behavior.
"Our portrayal of the student as a veteran may be viewed by some as
unfairly stereotyping members of this important constituency.
We certainly regret any misperception."
For its part, a university spokeswoman says they are grateful for all the
feedback they have received, and that it has been an important learning
opportunity for them, one they will use to better serve their veteran
students.
VIDEO: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=6752255
It was totally ignorant and a slap in the face.
Thanks Penn State.
Now go re-elect Murtha and have a big 'fruit and nut' sundae together.
What a bunch of SP Jackasses.
Veterans Outraged Over Penn State Video
By Dann Cuellar
MEDIA, Pa. - April 8, 2009 (WPVI) -- A Penn State training video showing
educators how to deal with troublesome students has some Veterans
hopping mad.
The controversial video has since been pulled from Penn State's webpage,
but the outrage continues to mount, even among those who founded the
American Veteran's Museum.
"It's a product of ignorance, people who don't know veterans, haven't
served in the military of don't have that kind of experience with
veterans," Pennsylvania State Representative Bryan Lentz said. Lentz,
who served in Iraq with the Army, is among those terribly disturbed by
the since-removed video designed to show instructors how to cope
with "worrisome student behaviors."
In the video, the instructor tells the department head he is still having a
problem with a student.
The department head responds, "The Veteran?"
The instructor goes on to explain to the department head that she's very
nervous because the veteran student has confronted her about the poor
grades he's receiving.
The instructor says to the student, "This isn't a personal thing against
you."
The student responds, ": I think it is, you've made it very clear in your
class how you feel about the war and you're taking it out on me."
The instructor says, "My personal beliefs have nothing to do with the way
I treat you."
Joe Dymond, who served in Iraq with the Marine Corp, is disturbed that
the video portrays veterans as monsters.
"Instead of teaching understanding and compassion, our educators are
teaching that veterans coming back from this war are someone to be
feared, someone to be scared of," Dymond said.
Robert Pavone, who served with the Army in Iraq, calls it stereotyping.
"It kind of hurts you inside, like why would anyone portray us like that?"
Pavone said.
Media Mayor Bob McMahon, who served in Vietnam, remembers how his
colleagues were treated coming back from the war back in the 60's and
says, "here we go again."
"Here we are with a college, a college that just doesn't understand what
it's like to serve in combat and therefore they have a perception that
they probably didn't realize was created in Vietnam," McMahon said.
Tonight, the university released a statement saying, "The video has been
pulled and that there was certainly no intent to suggest that any
particular student group was inclined toward worrisome behavior.
"Our portrayal of the student as a veteran may be viewed by some as
unfairly stereotyping members of this important constituency.
We certainly regret any misperception."
For its part, a university spokeswoman says they are grateful for all the
feedback they have received, and that it has been an important learning
opportunity for them, one they will use to better serve their veteran
students.
VIDEO: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=6752255
Don't start none...won't be none.
I, personally, got the message when the University "response" stated:zepboy wrote:Personally, I am proud to be a right wing extremist. It is sad there are those who just don't understand what true liberty is, or how to ensure it.
"The video has been pulled, and there was certainly no intent to suggest
that any particular student group was inclined toward worrisome
behavior. "
That is 100% USDA Grade A bullshit.
We know the Secular-Progressive mission, and I'm thinking that at least
20% of non-Vet parents and the VA were gonna pull their tuition money
out of Penn State....
But I digress. I sure as hell would take my money somewhere
else.
Don't start none...won't be none.
A video such as that could be made without mentioning any group. Just think if they had said, "I think you are taking it out on me because I am gay and you are against gay marriage"! They would have (rightly) had their butts handed to them for that, too. But they thought it was "safe", I guess, to portray the student as a vet.
Oh I'm sure they had a brainstorm to see which demographic could beawip2062 wrote:A video such as that could be made without mentioning any group. Just think if they had said, "I think you are taking it out on me because I am gay and you are against gay marriage"! They would have (rightly) had their butts handed to them for that, too. But they thought it was "safe", I guess, to portray the student as a vet.
offered up for fodder, yet have the least negative viewer impact.
Boy, were they mistaken. Like t said, they could have featured
gays, pimps, alcoholics, crackheads, gang-bangers or tweaks, but no -
they went for the jugular and threw a Vet under the bus.
Pick on somebody else next time.
Not cool. But it's over, so I'll shut up about it.
Don't start none...won't be none.
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I agree that it was very odd and wrong to use a vet as an example.
Speaking of missions, how are the Tea Parties going? I haven't heard much about them since last week.
Those people always are used for this kind of presentation. Nobody even gives it a second look when it's a "lowlife."Like t said, they could have featured
gays, pimps, alcoholics, crackheads, gang-bangers or tweaks, but no -
they went for the jugular and threw a Vet under the bus.
I was with you up to this point. Now it sounds just a little paranoid. I am secular. I am progressive. My mission is to get to work every day to make enough money to pay my bills, play some music and get a little love along the way. That's the only secular/progressive mission I know.We know the Secular-Progressive mission
Speaking of missions, how are the Tea Parties going? I haven't heard much about them since last week.
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Dude! Working hard, playing geetar and gettin' some along the way isBig Blue Owl wrote: My mission is to get to work every day to make enough money to pay my bills, play some music and get a little love along the way. That's the only secular/progressive mission I know.
not secular-progressivism.
If you're hatin' and trying to force us to do it like Europeans do,
then it is.
I'm stuck in meetings today, but ours will be drizzly and chilly.Big Blue Owl wrote:Speaking of missions, how are the Tea Parties going? I haven't heard much about them since last week.
Same for D.C.'s.
Cygette's there with a couple of friends though.
I'll get a SITREP from her in a hour or so.
Your area should be cranking up as well.
Here are some early pics from YAHOO News:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Anti-tax- ... b9acaaf04e
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Don't start none...won't be none.
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Awesome! I love this country. Protest is one of the healthiest forms of expression.awip2062 wrote:Teh reports I've gotten from people who were at the Tea Party here yesterday was that it was well attended and they had fun expressing their frustration with how much we are being taxed.
BTW, which/what taxes were they referring to? The new tobacco tax? Or was it the "I make more than $250,000.00 per year" tax? Those are the only ones that I am aware of so far that are attributable to the Obama mob.
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I thought it was awesome that there were lots o' democrats there, too.
It's not a right/left thing. It's about time the suits listened to US for once.
Which reminds me:
Why did Obama claim he wasn't AWARE of any demonstrations?
Rose-colored glasses? Mainstream media silence?
I don't know, but that statement is pure bravo sierra.
(In case you're wondering, "bravo sierra" is the military phonetic for BS or bullshit)
C'mon, y'all - Seriously - How stupid does he think we are....?
Really stupid, functionally stupid, or just kinda stupid?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seym ... ea-parties
Obama jumped on the tax code bandwagon too (a day after Glenn Beck's
gang tried to print it out and failed)...that's remarkable.
Good for him.
I hope it's good for us.
It's not a right/left thing. It's about time the suits listened to US for once.
Which reminds me:
Why did Obama claim he wasn't AWARE of any demonstrations?
Rose-colored glasses? Mainstream media silence?
I don't know, but that statement is pure bravo sierra.
(In case you're wondering, "bravo sierra" is the military phonetic for BS or bullshit)
C'mon, y'all - Seriously - How stupid does he think we are....?
Really stupid, functionally stupid, or just kinda stupid?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seym ... ea-parties
Obama jumped on the tax code bandwagon too (a day after Glenn Beck's
gang tried to print it out and failed)...that's remarkable.
Good for him.
I hope it's good for us.
Don't start none...won't be none.
- Big Blue Owl
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When gatherings of people are chanting against you (I couldn't believe some of the signs at the rallies. Barack Hussein Obama Hitler? Come on....) and you spend most every waking moment of your life finding ways to make those people's lives and the country better, maybe it is best to not give any more credence to it through acknowledgment.
On another note, but similar; For a while now (since November, as a matter of fact) I have noticed that there has been an unlikely, almost humorous reversal of roles. Just a few years ago you had Bill O'Reilly calling demonstrators "Pinheads" and mocking anyone who would dare protest for their rights and beliefs, calling them hippies and idiots. Day before yesterday he changed the word Pinheads to Patriots! Amazing. It was a patriotic hero that dumped a box of tea into the Whitehouse grounds (illegal, is it not?) and a true showing of American spirit.
And what about the British? What about the original protest? The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their constitutional right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives.
Americans today are protesting against our government's tyranny. Ha! We know fuck-all about tyranny. The British had to kill over 10 million Indians to attain that title, and it nearly cost them their own title of the worlds superpower.
http://eldib.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/u ... holocaust/
So dress up, shout out, pump your fist to the sky. Make some noise for the Little Guy, because the Big Guy dares to attempt to rescue him from a doom of his own making.
Conservative Republicans are protesting, painting signs, for fack sake, like hippy pinheads (Billdo's insult, not mine) and CNN, nature-lovers-preservers and Democrats are "The Man." What a wacky time to be alive.
On another note, but similar; For a while now (since November, as a matter of fact) I have noticed that there has been an unlikely, almost humorous reversal of roles. Just a few years ago you had Bill O'Reilly calling demonstrators "Pinheads" and mocking anyone who would dare protest for their rights and beliefs, calling them hippies and idiots. Day before yesterday he changed the word Pinheads to Patriots! Amazing. It was a patriotic hero that dumped a box of tea into the Whitehouse grounds (illegal, is it not?) and a true showing of American spirit.
And what about the British? What about the original protest? The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their constitutional right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives.
Americans today are protesting against our government's tyranny. Ha! We know fuck-all about tyranny. The British had to kill over 10 million Indians to attain that title, and it nearly cost them their own title of the worlds superpower.
http://eldib.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/u ... holocaust/
So dress up, shout out, pump your fist to the sky. Make some noise for the Little Guy, because the Big Guy dares to attempt to rescue him from a doom of his own making.
Conservative Republicans are protesting, painting signs, for fack sake, like hippy pinheads (Billdo's insult, not mine) and CNN, nature-lovers-preservers and Democrats are "The Man." What a wacky time to be alive.
(((((((((((((((all'a you)))))))))))))))
I'm with you there, Owlie. There was no room for that. That's the rightBig Blue Owl wrote: (I couldn't believe some of the signs at the rallies.
Barack Hussein Obama Hitler? Come on....)
wing fringe. Personal attacks were frowned upon by ALL organizers.
Okay, here's the difference: D.C. had nothing more serious thanBig Blue Owl wrote:On another note, but similar; For a while now (since November, as a matter of fact) I have noticed that there has been an unlikely, almost humorous reversal of roles. Just a few years ago you had Bill O'Reilly calling demonstrators "Pinheads" and mocking anyone who would dare protest for their rights and beliefs, calling them hippies and idiots. Day before yesterday he changed the word Pinheads to Patriots! Amazing. It was a patriotic hero that dumped a box of tea into the Whitehouse grounds (illegal, is it not?) and a true showing of American spirit.
parking tickets there...there were no windows broken, no police cars
turned over and no blood spilled - fake OR real. There were no paid
demonstrators (It's common knowledge that ACORN hired and paid
demonstrators at their functions...that's coming out in the wash in
recent congressional probes very shortly), and the box of tea was
unarmed and apprehended immediately upon breach of the grounds.
I can't speak for the British, but if I remember correctly, Woodrow WilsonBig Blue Owl wrote:And what about the British? What about the original protest? The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their constitutional right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives.
Americans today are protesting against our government's tyranny. Ha! We know fuck-all about tyranny. The British had to kill over 10 million Indians to attain that title, and it nearly cost them their own title of the worlds superpower.
http://eldib.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/u ... holocaust/
kept political prisoners...they probably had a tea party for that, too.
I don't know, but something changed that policy. WWI maybe?
You know, there's nothing like a good ol' world war to jumpstart an
economy.
So, you're saying they were the only ones? Obviously, you denyBig Blue Owl wrote:Conservative Republicans are protesting,
painting signs, for fack sake, like hippy pinheads (Billdo's insult, not
mine) and CNN, nature-lovers-preservers and Democrats are "The Man."
What a wacky time to be alive.
the fact that there were democrats there. I won't persue that.
CNN has you in their tractor beam. Eject, Brother. It's not too late.
BTW - and this is my humble opinion, mind you:
If that CNN dingbat (sent to the Tea Party) didn't study
"Watters-O'Reilly Ambush Journalism 101".....
I'll eat concertina wire and wash it down with Liquid Plumber.
Don't start none...won't be none.