Is Global Warming a Sin?

[Me]

http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports ... on_new.jsp


as you can see this station is very new and the reports haven't come out yet regarding the study's you'll have to wait however if you want to search the net please do I don't have time

[ElfDude]

Cool site. But searching it the oldest ice core sample I can find an article about only dates back 420,000 years.

[ElfDude]

Been searching the web. Read this:

TOKYO ? A team of Japanese researchers drilling on Antarctica has recovered what is believed to be the oldest sample of ice ever ? possibly dating back 1 million years, officials said Tuesday.

The ice sample was taken from a depth of 9,994 feet into the Antarctic ice sheet near the Japanese camp at Fuji Dome, according to Yuji Umezaki, an official with the education and science ministry.

He said although exact dating will be conducted after the sample is returned to Japan this spring, the depth and other factors suggest it is roughly 1 million years old.

The oldest sample yet recovered from Antarctica was 800,000 years old. That sample was collected by a team of scientists from the European Union.

Can't find anything about a 3.5 billion year-old sample.

[Me]

That's probably more in line than what I heard on nature chanel I didn't think they could go back that far as the earth was nothing but a molten ball of fire then at least that is what I have been taught. Yet a miilion years old that pretty impressive

[ElfDude]

Yet a miilion years old that pretty impressive

It really is! And the kind of data that they are able to gleen from it blows my mind. I'd look at it and say, "Wow... ice. And parts of it look dirty..."

[Me]

Looks like your right that is the oldest to date. Having a little more time I found this, it gives a good perspective and explantion.

http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/features ... kt-hgf-t4c

[Wendy]

Having nothing to do with ice, cows instead, but that was part of this thread earlier, sorry to interject, but are we all ready to quit eating beef now?
Beef Recall

I mean really, does anyone need to be eating beef that has been raised this way, under these conditions?. Pushing live terrified injured sick animals around with a FORKLIFT!!! It's just unhealthy and cruel and a sin. Just because they are "dumb" animals does not give man a right to abuse them and frighten them in this way moments before death. If cows think and feel,which they must in some way, imagine how awful the last moments of their lives must be? There has to be a more humane, less polluting way to raise and produce beef. Costlier,but perhaps not so much if we look at the costs of ill health of human beings from eating this tainted meat, in the long run.

[ElfDude]

but are we all ready to quit eating beef now?

I did that over 15 years ago.

[awip2062]

I don't eat much beef nor do I purchase it often, but if I thought that slaughterhouse methodology was the norm, I would not eat it at all.

[Big Blue Owl]

Having nothing to do with ice, cows instead, but that was part of this thread earlier, sorry to interject, but are we all ready to quit eating beef now?

This made me sick when I saw it on the news. Nearly physically sick. I'm a big fan of beef in all its forms, but after seeing that, not only did I want to give those cretins an eye for an eye, but it also made me really think about what goes on to put a hamburger or steak on my plate. Even without these horrible actions and conditions, it's a barbaric set of events. I don't have a suggestion. let alone a solution, but I definitely feel differently about killing animals to fill my tank.

Wait...pepperoni isn't from an animal is it?

[Me]

Us to we hardly eat steer anymore, mostly soup, fish, chicken, fruit and veggies. No excuse what they do to those cows and they do feel pain and probably comunicate in ways we don't understand yet. They know the sound of the dinner bell when the farmer rings it so there's some sort of relation towards comunication. I do like meat but not what you see in the stores, venison. I quit hunting because I thought they were being over harvested, yet I will do so in the future. I am a meat hunter and antlers don't mean anything to me, I don't need a trophy just good wholesome meat.
I grew up on eating a lot of wild game and plan on continuing every chance I get. I don't take a shot unless it will be a quick kill and there have been lots of years I didn't get nothing because I don't just shoot because I see a deer. I don't enjoy it either it's more work than anything else it's all about the meat for me.

[CygnusX1]

This made me sick when I saw it on the news. Nearly physically sick. I'm a big fan of beef in all its forms, but after seeing that, not only did I want to give those cretins an eye for an eye, but it also made me really think about what goes on to put a hamburger or steak on my plate. Even without these horrible actions and conditions, it's a barbaric set of events.)

I'd like to have been jabbing the cattle prod on THOSE MORONS a few times.

As WRONG as the whole thing is, the burning question I HAVE IS:

HOW LONG WAS IT GOING ON UNTIL THEY WERE CAUGHT? HUH?? WHAAAT?

I hope they send 'em so far away they can't hear a dog barkin'.

[ElfDude]

From dailytech.com (a science news site)

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Mo ... e10866.htm

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

[awip2062]

So, it could be that the scientists of my childhood who predicted global cooling to come were more more accurate than the scientists of today who fear global warming.

[Me]

I know I mentioned here that was a real possibility, when so much of that frigid cold water melts at the ice caps that it was going to get into the ocean currents and that we could have a flip flop effect, perhaps that's what we are seeing it's having an effect on el ni nino, la nina? One should take the long term equation when considering the overall effect and there still are many more warmer years than colder ones. The reformation of ice due to the cooler conditions this year are still far thinner than years past and all the gains made this past season may just melt away this year? I noticed for years the weather has been like a roller coaster ... warm, cold, warm, cold at first spread out over months and weeks then it got closer and closer this past year sometimes day to day. (perhaps el-nino and el nina are making babies ) I don't see anyone mentioning or explaining that obvious anomaly yet matter of fact I haven't ever even seen it mentioned. I am no scientist but I have excellent observation skills an it's very obvious that we are having a negative impact in nature. Nevertheless we are actually past due for another mini ice age as far as history and weather patterns are concern. When George Washington crossed the Delaware that was called the Winter without a summer. They got a couple of feet of snow in June and July after that year, the mini ice age started to reverse itself. At any rate we should put caution to the wind when ever it comes to our planet/plate or perhaps let evolution take it's course? For me and my personal opinion on the matter ...
evolution will win no matter, so what's the difference? As it is now, humans are like lions and sometimes kill for the fun of it. In nature there are creatures that mate for life and protect one another and usually don't eat meat ... so no eating meat, just lick it for pleasure and groom your partner for life while being protective of the herd. I see Stewie still trying to control the world .... it will be mine dam it, mine! heehee
That's about all I have to say about that and something about a box of chocolates enjoy what's there and all that. Now Stewie you know better than that, put away the dematerialize gun and eat your veggies!