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Soup4Rush · Post by **Soup4Rush** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:32 pm

hate is hate no matter who it is directed toward.

Soup4Rush · Post by **Soup4Rush** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:16 pm

Hey, If I walk up to Leon and bitchslap him upside the noggin, would that be considered a hate crime.

Walkinghairball · Post by **Walkinghairball** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:19 pm

Soup4Rush wrote:Hey, If I walk up to Leon and bitchslap him upside the noggin, would that be considered a hate crime.

It best be in a dream, and then you better appologise after I wake up.

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:40 pm

When threats are made about children and the like, I think it should always be seen as serious. If they were just kids being stupid, then they need to learn how stupid they are and that won't happen if we go lightly on them because they were just being kids.

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:41 pm

This story is being talked about on local talk radio. Attention is good. The police are now taking it "very seriously".

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:42 pm

I must say, though, that I do hope it was just kids being stupid, as much as I hate to see that happen like this, than a real hate group giving you a message.

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:51 pm

awip2062 wrote:I must say, though, that I do hope it was just kids being stupid, as much as I hate to see that happen like this, than a real hate group giving you a message.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but real Satanists don't usually announce themselves like that, do they? I thought they liked to hide in the shadows.

Big Blue Owl · Post by **Big Blue Owl** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:56 pm

But...I thought a real satanist was a person who relied on autonomous existence and auto-salvation, not really driven by hate. I thought all of those "sacrificey" things were a myth. Greed, avarice, ambition, yes, but murder, hate and devil-worship, not so much. I'm not one. I've got nothing to be so egotistical about, but of those that are, I wonder what they really do, where they are, what they want out of life, things like that.

What were we talking about?

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:58 pm

What a can of worms that question can be! lol

It depends on what your definition of "Satanists" is. lol?

The traditional worshippers of Satan and the followers of the likes of Anton De Vey, no, they don't.

But there's a new breed of "satanist" out there and they're really nuts!

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:04 pm

I decided to do a web search for "Knights of Satan". I came up with a site called "Occult Crime: A Law Enforcement Primer". It it was the following which relates to this conversation:

Youth Subculture Satanists who may be either true believers or true criminals, are sometimes linked to cemetery desecration, especially tombstone vandalism and grave robbing. For example:

Officer Tim Boyle of the Maryland National Capital Park Police recently investigated a case involving five juveniles who overturned tombstones, dug up a baby's grave and stole the body from a Montgomery County cemetery. Events reconstructed during the subsequent trial were as follows: five juveniles were smoking marijuana when one young man began discussing his involvement in a local Satanic group called 'The Knights of Satan's Army." The juveniles spontaneously decided to steal a skull from a cemetery. The ringleader was convicted of grave robbing and sentenced to 18 months in prison. (Boyle interview, April 1989.)
Detective Pat Metoyer recalled two Los Angeles based Satanic crimes committed by young dabblers. In the first, cemetery tombstones were stolen and later turned up as altars for a Satanic worship service. The perpetrators were caught and "copped a plea" for vandalizing a cemetery. In the second case, the perpetrator stole a skull and, during the trial, indicated the skull was taken and used as part of a Satanic ritual. He was subsequently convicted of grave robbing in a court trial. (Metoyer interview, May 5, 1989.)

Church Desecration. Most often committed by true criminals who use dabbling in the occult as an excuse to commit a crime, church desecration includes the following actions: destroying Bibles; urinating and defecating on Holy objects and furniture; tearing crucifixes off walls; and destroying rosaries and crucifixes. Such vandalism has been reported in many communities across the nation. It is important to note, however, that the motivations behind such vandalism are increasingly linked to hate or bias crime rather than occult crime. For instance, many localities are reporting that synagogues are increasingly the victims of spray-painted swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti.

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:07 pm

And yet I suppose these same people would be upset if I went in and desecrated that which they believed.

Maybe not. *shrugs*

Soup4Rush · Post by **Soup4Rush** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:22 pm

yes they probably would..

people need to re-learn the Golden Rule

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:38 pm

I can help with my board of education!

Walkinghairball · Post by **Walkinghairball** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:00 pm

awip2062 wrote:I can help with my board of education!

Only teachers get those you know.

awip2062 · Post by **awip2062** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:05 pm

I am a teacher!